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#1LostFan
#1LostFan
Destination: The Island
Feb 19 2009, 6:08 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2009, 6:08 PM EST
Here are my thoughts on what happened with Flight 316.

The Oceanic 6 went to the Island during the 1970s, but the rest of the passengers went to the present time. This explains why Jack, Kate, and Hurley could not find anyone else or any wreckage and why the survivors on the Island found an Ajira Airways water bottle in the canoe.

Another theory that I did not come up with, but agree with, is that Hurley was told by Charlie to go onto the plane. I took this theory a step further, and I think that Charlie was on the plane, which is why Hurley brought the guitar with him.

As for Ben, I think that he was beaten by someone connected to Widmore. However, one of my friends thinks that it was Sayid who attacked him.

One final thing. Frank Lapidus was the pilot of the plane because it was his fate to crash on the Island. Remember, he was supposed to of been the pilot of Oceanic Airlines Flight 815, but Seth Norris was the pilot instead.
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rosie08
rosie08
1. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 20 2009, 8:16 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2009, 8:16 AM EST
Yeah i thought that when i saw Jin in the borrowed dharma clothes.

Although im not sure about the Charlie theory. I think maybe Charlie could have convinced Hurley to go... but Charlie wasn't one of the six. He died on the island so i don't think he was 'spiritually' there. Maybe he brought the case to 'give' to Charlie on the island.
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Stephany1177
Stephany1177
2. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 20 2009, 6:24 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2009, 6:24 PM EST
That's a good explanation for the passengers that were sitting in the Economy section of the plane.

As for Charlie, didn't Charlie tell Hurley he'd have to go back to the island last season? I don't know if it was Charlie that told Hurley the details needed to get back to the island. It's plausible don't get me wrong. However I feel the "I see dead people" thing has been done too many times, give us something new. I'm thinking Widmore or the other guy that showed up at the mental institute to see Hurley in season 4, I can't think of his name. Locke has seen him too as well, he told Locke to sign up for the walk-about.

I don't think Charlie is on the plane. The Oceanic 6 were to try to mimic their original flight as much as possible. I think the guitar was meant to represent Charlie, as well as the comic book Hurley was to bring was to represent Walt.

As for Ben's condition, well he told Jack he had loose ends to tie up. Sayid would be a loose end to tie up. Sayid wasn't going to go on the flight willingly. Therefore I think Ben turned him in for a crime he committed while working for him, that must have taken place in Guam's jurisdiction considering Flight 316 was intended to go to Guam. And in the process Sayid probably got a hold of him and beat the snot out of him... Go Sayid!

This also works for the purpose of mirroring the original flight, as now Sayid and the marshall escorting him represent the original Kate and marshall from the original flight.
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rprimeau95
rprimeau95
3. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 21 2009, 7:35 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2009, 7:35 AM EST
"That's a good explanation for the passengers that were sitting in the Economy section of the plane.

As for Charlie, didn't Charlie tell Hurley he'd have to go back to the island last season? I don't know if it was Charlie that told Hurley the details needed to get back to the island. It's plausible don't get me wrong. However I feel the "I see dead people" thing has been done too many times, give us something new. I'm thinking Widmore or the other guy that showed up at the mental institute to see Hurley in season 4, I can't think of his name. Locke has seen him too as well, he told Locke to sign up for the walk-about.

I don't think Charlie is on the plane. The Oceanic 6 were to try to mimic their original flight as much as possible. I think the guitar was meant to represent Charlie, as well as the comic book Hurley was to bring was to represent Walt.

As for Ben's condition, well he told Jack he had loose ends to tie up. Sayid would be a loose end to tie up. Sayid wasn't going to go on the flight willingly. Therefore I think Ben turned him in for a crime he committed while working for him, that must have taken place in Guam's jurisdiction considering Flight 316 was intended to go to Guam. And in the process Sayid probably got a hold of him and beat the snot out of him... Go Sayid!

This also works for the purpose of mirroring the original flight, as now Sayid and the marshall escorting him represent the original Kate and marshall from the original flight."
I agree with many of your theories, however ? about Aaron/Clair what is on the plane to represent them? & why did Kate look strung out when Jack asked where is Aaron ? could she of possibly done with him? who has him? wouldn't the Island demand his presence? Clair appeared to Kate in a dream to not bring Aaron back questions is WHY? We can assume Sun left her baby with her mom.
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lizzie101102
lizzie101102
4. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 21 2009, 3:06 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2009, 3:06 PM EST
i think that somone from the future may have saved charlie and thats how charlie came to hurley from the futre so charlie might not be dead 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Stephany1177
Stephany1177
5. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 21 2009, 4:33 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2009, 4:33 PM EST
"I agree with many of your theories, however ? about Aaron/Clair what is on the plane to represent them? & why did Kate look strung out when Jack asked where is Aaron ? could she of possibly done with him? who has him? wouldn't the Island demand his presence? Clair appeared to Kate in a dream to not bring Aaron back questions is WHY? We can assume Sun left her baby with her mom."
I'm wondering if Kate might be pregnant? Other than that I don't know what would represent them, they may just be part of the original flight they couldn't mirror. A lot of them weren't mirrored, Rose and her husband... None of the characters/survivors from the back end of the plane were mirrored that I caught on to... Shannon and Boone? Well Kate and Jack could sort of represent them. Jack in love with Kate... and Kate all crazy like, liking or loving Jack when it's convenient to her...

About what Kate did with Aaron. Well as you say Kate has no family aside from her mother, and their relationship was rocky enough as it is, and if I remember correctly her mother wasn't in the best of health, so that is out of the question as far as I am concerned... However Aaron has family in the states... Claire's mom... Jack's grandfather... I don't really know if it could be either of them. If it is, I definetly think Kate was manipulated somehow, put into a predicament where she had no choice but to leave Aaron with one of them and go to the island.
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rprimeau95
rprimeau95
6. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 22 2009, 12:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 12:38 PM EST
"I'm wondering if Kate might be pregnant? Other than that I don't know what would represent them, they may just be part of the original flight they couldn't mirror. A lot of them weren't mirrored, Rose and her husband... None of the characters/survivors from the back end of the plane were mirrored that I caught on to... Shannon and Boone? Well Kate and Jack could sort of represent them. Jack in love with Kate... and Kate all crazy like, liking or loving Jack when it's convenient to her...

About what Kate did with Aaron. Well as you say Kate has no family aside from her mother, and their relationship was rocky enough as it is, and if I remember correctly her mother wasn't in the best of health, so that is out of the question as far as I am concerned... However Aaron has family in the states... Claire's mom... Jack's grandfather... I don't really know if it could be either of them. If it is, I definetly think Kate was manipulated somehow, put into a predicament where she had no choice but to leave Aaron with one of them and go to the island. "
yeah guess we shall see however I doubt Aaron was left with Clairs mom because then the truth would be out right...? Kate prego OH MY wouldn't that be something....!
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Stephany1177
Stephany1177
7. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 22 2009, 5:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 5:12 PM EST
"yeah guess we shall see however I doubt Aaron was left with Clairs mom because then the truth would be out right...? Kate prego OH MY wouldn't that be something....!"
I doubt Claire's mom also unless, Clair's mom already knew some how... convenient that she has the same attorney retained that Ben has...

Kate preggo is just a wild guess. With limited time they weren't going to be able to mirror the original flight perfectly, and Ms. Hawking's did explain to them that this would make the outcome of the flight unpredictable, hense them landing in the 1970's with Dharma...and possibly the reason we don't know where Sun, Ben, Sayid, Sayid's marshal, and the other guy that consoled Jack (and anyone else I may be not thinking of) are...
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Saldance582
8. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 25 2009, 8:06 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 8:06 AM EST
Interesting theories about Charlie and also about Kate & Aaron. I'm really interested in finding out what made Kate give up Aaron. I don't think it's a coincidence that Claire's mom and Ben have the same attorney, and I don't think Claire has a clue about anything that's going on. I think that she was approached by Ben's attorney and probably told that he could help her sue Oceanic and collect a settlement.

Anyway...about Ben's condition...I think that the "loose ends" that needed tying up were that of him finding Widmore's daughter, Penny. If you remember in the last episode of Season 4 he promises Widmore that he will find her and kill her because of what Widmore did (or let happen) to his "daughter" Alex. Widmore says he will find the island and Ben says he will find Widmore's daughter. I think that when Ben saw Desmond show up at the "Lamppost" ...he thought "Great! Now I can follow him to find Penny". If you remember when they showed Ben on the phone with Jack and all bloody...he was at a marina. (probably the one where Desmond and Penny had the yacht). I hope Penny is not dead though! Something happened at the marina...

Also wondering why no one on the plane thinks to ask Ben what happened to his face when he boards and looks all beaten up.

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afparks
9. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 25 2009, 12:09 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 12:09 PM EST
"Interesting theories about Charlie and also about Kate & Aaron. I'm really interested in finding out what made Kate give up Aaron. I don't think it's a coincidence that Claire's mom and Ben have the same attorney, and I don't think Claire has a clue about anything that's going on. I think that she was approached by Ben's attorney and probably told that he could help her sue Oceanic and collect a settlement.

Anyway...about Ben's condition...I think that the "loose ends" that needed tying up were that of him finding Widmore's daughter, Penny. If you remember in the last episode of Season 4 he promises Widmore that he will find her and kill her because of what Widmore did (or let happen) to his "daughter" Alex. Widmore says he will find the island and Ben says he will find Widmore's daughter. I think that when Ben saw Desmond show up at the "Lamppost" ...he thought "Great! Now I can follow him to find Penny". If you remember when they showed Ben on the phone with Jack and all bloody...he was at a marina. (probably the one where Desmond and Penny had the yacht). I hope Penny is not dead though! Something happened at the marina...

Also wondering why no one on the plane thinks to ask Ben what happened to his face when he boards and looks all beaten up.

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I think no one ask Ben what happened to him because they all hate him and don't really care about him.
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rprimeau95
rprimeau95
10. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 25 2009, 7:44 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 7:44 PM EST
about Ben's face true no one really cares but come on we all know Jack would of said " what the hell happened to you" but he didn't I find that kind of weird.

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Clancey
Clancey
11. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 26 2009, 11:42 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 11:42 AM EST
"about Ben's face true no one really cares but come on we all know Jack would of said " what the hell happened to you" but he didn't I find that kind of weird.

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good point.....
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lizzie101102
lizzie101102
12. RE: Destination: The Island
Feb 28 2009, 4:47 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 4:47 PM EST
maybe jack has learn not to question ben but then again he has his oun mind and doesent take orders Do you find this valuable?    

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