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#1LostFan
#1LostFan
Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 7 2009, 2:09 AM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 2:09 AM EDT
Believe it or not, the season finale is already here. If you have any theories on what will happen on the finale, add them here. Will the survivors in 1977 be reunited with those in 2007? What will happen with Locke, the Others, and Jacob? Will the Incident be stopped? Will Vincent save everyone? All these and much more are ideas on what you can discuss about. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
lostfan5155
lostfan5155
1. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 7 2009, 2:15 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 2:15 PM EDT
You know I am not sure what to think after everything last night left quite "lost". lol. I think that they will all end up being reunited and am HOPING that the don't get the H-bomb where ever it needs to be, because i think it is stupid and disappointing if everything does really erased and their plane never crashes their. Even if their plane still never crashes there it leaves the darma intiative in the same position before the plane crashed. Which wouldn't make any sense nor solve mysterys of the island... Do you find this valuable?    

afparks
2. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 7 2009, 2:35 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 2:35 PM EDT
My theory I think and im not sure is that Locke is Jacob. I think he knows he is Jacob now. when he said to ben that he will kill Jacob, it probably mean he will kill Jacob by revealing himself as Jacob. I don't know it's confusing. And by the way, where is vincent anyway? Another theory is that, jack, kate, jin, miles and hugo might be actually dead on the island because richard said he watched them die. So that maybe the reason, they are not suppose to leave the island. Well, I hope they will be all reunited. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
#1LostFan
#1LostFan
3. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 7 2009, 7:52 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 7:52 PM EDT
Here is my theory on what will happen; I was thinking about this a few episodes back, and I have more evidence since the last episode.

The Inicdent will still happen. You cannot change the past. A few people have pointed out that if they never crashed, then they would never be on the Island to stop the incident. When the incident does happen, the survivors will be "blown" into 2007. Richard said that he saw them "die" in the last episode. I think he saw them get caugt in the incident, but in reality, they had disappeared into the present (2007).
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Bella1143
4. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 7 2009, 11:01 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 11:01 PM EDT
I am thinking that what Jack is about to do is going to start the entire chain of events that happend all along. somehow by detinating the H bomb that is going to be a huge factor in the plane CRASHING... instead of it not crashing. I could be totally wrong but I feel like they are all going down a path that is helping everything happen just the way it originally did. Do you find this valuable?    
Beatrix25
Beatrix25
5. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 8 2009, 9:10 AM EDT | Post edited: May 8 2009, 9:10 AM EDT
I think that #1LostFan's theory sounds good. The only thing that I don't understand is why Richard Alpert in 2007 doesn't remember them from 2004. The only thing that I could think of is that when island started moving through time it erased what happened according to Richard's memory. I do think though that they will be flashed through time into 2007 and everyone will reuinite together again. But now there are new people on the island with them like Bram and his crew that they have to deal with so now we will see who they become allies with. A new power struggle on the island will continue. Do you find this valuable?    

attitude87
6. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 8 2009, 5:22 PM EDT | Post edited: May 8 2009, 5:22 PM EDT
I reckon that the whole station becomes a joint effort between the others and Dharma, however, they don't explode the H-bomb and instead cover the electromagnetism with concrete and link it to the computer etc. The H-bomb will be incorporated as the 'fail-safe' though. They will be too worried to detonate it without Daniel's guidance so will use it as a very last resort (i.e. the failsafe) and build the Swan station as per the normal timeline. When Desmond doesn't enter the numbers properly - because Locke destroys the comptuer - the incident starts back up again, however, this time by turning the key he detonates the bomb which turns out to be effective at neutralising the electromagnetism. The first time he doesn't enter the numbers, the incident almost starts to happen but how they contained it to begin with still works thereby saving the bomb for the second time.

Due to the incident being able to start in 1977 (?) it will propel 'the survivors' (+juliet et. al.) back to the present in the same manner the wheel magnatism propelled them through time before.
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Jkan_133
Jkan_133
7. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 10 2009, 1:41 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2009, 1:41 PM EDT
I think detonating the hydrogen bomb was what caused the incident in the first place. Had Daniel never suggested it, the incident probably would never have happened. Do you find this valuable?    

Bella1143
8. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 10 2009, 3:09 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2009, 3:09 PM EDT
"I think detonating the hydrogen bomb was what caused the incident in the first place. Had Daniel never suggested it, the incident probably would never have happened."
Jkan I agree!!
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milkeman
milkeman
9. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 12 2009, 11:14 AM EDT | Post edited: May 12 2009, 11:14 AM EDT
"I think that #1LostFan's theory sounds good. The only thing that I don't understand is why Richard Alpert in 2007 doesn't remember them from 2004. The only thing that I could think of is that when island started moving through time it erased what happened according to Richard's memory. I do think though that they will be flashed through time into 2007 and everyone will reuinite together again. But now there are new people on the island with them like Bram and his crew that they have to deal with so now we will see who they become allies with. A new power struggle on the island will continue."
I think Alpert does remember everyone from 2004. He just doesn't have any reason to bring it up.
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milkeman
milkeman
10. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 12 2009, 11:24 AM EDT | Post edited: May 12 2009, 11:24 AM EDT
"I think detonating the hydrogen bomb was what caused the incident in the first place. Had Daniel never suggested it, the incident probably would never have happened."
Yep. I also think Alpert only thinks he saw everyone die, but they were actually sent to 2007 with Locke and everyone. I kind of expect the finale to end with a shocked Alpert, Locke and others seeing the 70's Losties appear. As for Jacob, I really hope to see him in the cabin again with Claire and Christian. I wish I knew why Locke wants him dead though. Also how does he think he can kill someone who seems to be nothing but a ghost of some kind.
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Jkan_133
Jkan_133
11. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 12 2009, 5:35 PM EDT | Post edited: May 12 2009, 5:35 PM EDT
What's really bugging me is what is in the box. I hope we find out what's in there before the end of the season. I agree with the idea that Locke already knows Jacob isn't real, so saying he was going to kill him was just figurative. But the main thing on my mind right now is the box. Do you find this valuable?    
Beatrix25
Beatrix25
12. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 13 2009, 6:40 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2009, 6:40 PM EDT
"I think Alpert does remember everyone from 2004. He just doesn't have any reason to bring it up."
Maybe your right, I don't know, Locke seems to be confusing him though.
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Jkan_133
Jkan_133
13. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 13 2009, 11:07 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2009, 11:07 PM EDT
Upon reflection, that finale totally blew my expectations. Completely. I cannot believe what was in the box. wow. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Beatrix25
Beatrix25
14. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 13 2009, 11:45 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2009, 11:45 PM EDT
"Upon reflection, that finale totally blew my expectations. Completely. I cannot believe what was in the box. wow."
I'm with you. I loved the whole show. As soon as I saw Jacob waiting for the ship, I knew it was going to be a good one. I loved how they showed Jacob visiting all them, from little Kate to little Sawyer to Locke when he fell. It seemed to me he saved Sayid's life too, but let his wife die and he really wanted Hurley back on the island. It has to mean that they were chosen to be on the island. Now that we have seen Locke is a corpse, how is he walking around too? From what I can see, it looked like Jacob saved Locke's life when he fell out of the building. Why would Locke have a grudge against him? I could see Ben having a grudge, but not Locke. Now we know that Jacob doesn't age along with Richard. Richard said, I think, that Jacob helped him not age. And what has happened to all our friends, especially Sayid from Oceanic Flight 815? Oh, and what does Ilana and Bram have to do with the island, they seem so know alot of secrets too and Ilana knew Jacob.
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Stephany1177
Stephany1177
15. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 13 2009, 11:51 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2009, 11:51 PM EDT
"I'm with you. I loved the whole show. As soon as I saw Jacob waiting for the ship, I knew it was going to be a good one. I loved how they showed Jacob visiting all them, from little Kate to little Sawyer to Locke when he fell. It seemed to me he saved Sayid's life too, but let his wife die and he really wanted Hurley back on the island. It has to mean that they were chosen to be on the island. Now that we have seen Locke is a corpse, how is he walking around too? From what I can see, it looked like Jacob saved Locke's life when he fell out of the building. Why would Locke have a grudge against him? I could see Ben having a grudge, but not Locke. Now we know that Jacob doesn't age along with Richard. Richard said, I think, that Jacob helped him not age. And what has happened to all our friends, especially Sayid from Oceanic Flight 815? Oh, and what does Ilana and Bram have to do with the island, they seem so know alot of secrets too and Ilana knew Jacob. "
That was never Locke. Locke was never brought back to life. I'm assuming that he was the guy that we see in the beginning of the episode with Jacob.
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afparks
16. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 13 2009, 11:52 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2009, 11:52 PM EDT
yeah me too...im kind of dissapointed with the finale. I mean I was hoping locke is really locke and really alive. I want to see the expression on jack's face when him and locke met again but after the finale tonight, it dissapoint me. I think the one using locke's figure is jacob's nemesis, i don't remember the name but it was the other guy on the beach with Jacob. So i guess all this time, he was the one using dead people's face to manipulate everyone on the island. Honestly, I hate knowing that the actual Locke is dead!!! Do you find this valuable?    
Stephany1177
Stephany1177
17. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 13 2009, 11:59 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2009, 11:59 PM EDT
I'm mixed on how I feel about Locke. I find myself disappointed as well. I was LOVING a more confident Locke... now to discover it wasn't Locke!

As for Ilana and Bram, Beatrix, I think they were trying to protect Jacob. That is why they were coming to him with Locke's body... but they were too late. The guy from the beginning of the episode (impersonating Locke) already got to him and had Ben kill him.
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Beatrix25
Beatrix25
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May 14 2009, 12:14 AM EDT | Post edited: May 14 2009, 12:14 AM EDT
I know they were trying to protect Jacob. I just thought it was interesting that they knew him. It opens up a whole new story with these people. As for Locke, I am glad for this site cause I never would of understood that it could of been that guy from the beginning of the episode that wanted Jacob dead, thanks Stephany and afparks....... Now I am dissapointed that Locke is really dead, I thought there was some other explanation for this. Do you find this valuable?    
Jkan_133
Jkan_133
19. RE: Thoughts and Theories before the Finale
May 14 2009, 3:25 PM EDT | Post edited: May 14 2009, 3:25 PM EDT
It really changes everything. It totally blew my mind. I was convinced from before the start of the season that John Locke would return to life once he returned to the island, but now I find that wasn't the case. Perhaps what Richard says is right, and the island can never bring anyone back to life. But if that's so how did Christian come back to life? Is he another "mask" of the strange being impersonating Locke? Have all of the dead people on this show so far been impersonated by the man impersonating Locke?

After this episode I got to thinking, and I think that when "Alex" came and told Ben that he must do everything John wants, it was really the strange man who can become dead people (For the purpose of time abbreviated the Smwcbdp). The Smwcbdp wanted Ben to think he had to follow every directive given to him. Think about: the monster had already judged him.

All the wraith's we've seen on this show could really by the Smwcbdp, and his loophole was John Locke, which he could use to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob.
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