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Jon82 |
The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion, Science
May 14 2009, 3:33 PM EDT
At the beginning of the episode, Jacob and the man sitting next to him disagree about the coming ship, the man says "they come, fight, destroy, corrupt, it always ends the same" Jacob says "it only ends once, anything before that is just progress" wasn't that a reference to humans ? we know that many species lived on this earth, and maybe after humans there will come a new species.. so when the man says "THEY come, fight, destroy, corrupt” its like a life cycle. the man is not happy with the new comers, and accuses Jacob that he brought them.. wait a sec !! isn't that satan's story from the bible, Koran, torah ?? because in the religious stories, satan was against the new comers "humans" it is clear since the beginning that Jacob and this man are different sides, one of them is the good and the other was the evil when we see Jacob was meeting the main characters of oceanic 815, watching them and making a slight contact with them since they were very young and through major incidents in their lives, that implies he was choosing them and already has them in mind, they were the CHOSEN ones, or if I may say "his disciples" that he will need for a certain thing on the island the piece of fabric on the wall in Jacob's quarters is clearly a drawing of Egyptian Sun worship, and the statue is an Egyptian under-world guard, so is Jacob a pharaoh? the end of the episode, when the explosion happens, or "the incident" I think its the Big-Bang, its the beginning of everything and I suppose that season 6 will have this message "the beginning of everything" It seems Jacob's plan for years is to get Oceanic 815 to the Island. so it’s not just an accident that the plane crashed. Does that mean no matter what Jack does, even if Desmond never pushes the button, that these people are all destined to wind up on the Island anyway? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Jkan_133 |
1. RE: The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion, Science
May 14 2009, 3:38 PM EDT
"At the beginning of the episode, Jacob and the man sitting next to him disagree about the coming ship, the man says "they come, fight, destroy, corrupt, it always ends the same" Jacob says "it only ends once, anything before that is just progress"What does that mean: It only ends once, before that is progress? I agree with you, it's almost like Jacob and his counterpart are involved in this struggle of good against evil. This is the same tale replayed forever in human history, people come, destroy the land, and they fall into corruption. It's as if Jacob and his counterpart are gods or something, because goodness knows there have been plenty of references to Egyptian mythology on the show. What does it mean now that Jacob is dead? Is Jacob even dead? Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion, Science
May 14 2009, 4:08 PM EDT
"What does that mean: It only ends once, before that is progress?I related what he is discussing to creationism as believed in Christianity, like being discussed here, Satan being against humans and what God did to them. "It only ends once", Judgement Day? I do believe Jacob is dead on this. We saw him stabbed and thrown in the fire. And the show is making it a point that the dead can't be brought back to life. Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion, Science
May 14 2009, 10:48 PM EDT
My theory is maybe the island is Hades. The Bible refer Hades as the place of the dead.Hades is another compartment in the pit… where the spirits of the unsaved dead are confined until the day of judgment. So maybe that's why some of the dead people are showing themselves on that island. So I guess Jacob was talking about Judgement Day when he said "it Only ends once".
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Noircomes! |
4. 3. RE: The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion
May 19 2009, 11:02 AM EDT
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The fundamental goal of Taoist immortality is achieved. It was said that people living in harmony with nature were immortal (See Richard Alpert).
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sj.shari |
5. RE: 3. The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion
May 21 2009, 4:51 PM EDT
My theory in the beginning was that they were in pergotory and had to make amends and atone for thier sins. I at that time thought the whole seriess was about redemption but I don't think so anymore. The writers stated emphatically that the characters were not dead.I do not believe that Jacob is gone forever. I think he might be like a Phoenix and rise from the ashes because he was thrown in to the firepit. I believe that the '"ghost" of Locke is actually the man in black. He told Jacob that he wanted to kill him and would find a loophole and "Locke" said he found the loophole after Ben stabbed Jacob. The series will end next year and I firmly believe they will end it on flight 815, Hurley will wake up from a nap and say "Dude I just had the craziest dream!" Do you find this valuable? |
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Hope7777 |
6. RE: The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion, Science
Jun 4 2009, 12:31 AM EDT
Richard is a pirate that came on the ship on its way towards the Island at the beginning of S5 finale. He was from spain. Stopped aging as soon as he came to Island. Jacob was a pirate too. He told Richard about the island somehow and it ticked off noname guy who I think is really the black monster and it's not happy with Jacob for telling Richards ship about the miraculous powers Jacob the pirate found when he discovered the island (noname guy said "they come, they kill, destroy", etc. fitting an appropriate stereotypical description of a pirate). From that point on (when he found the Island), Jacob stopped aging too. This was in the 17th century, so by the time other groups also discovered the island, Jacob had already made up a plan which was to have his comrade Richard tell people about him (Jacob) and lead them to believe he was like some God-like presence who has always been around on the Island. The monster though, is what has always been around and is the mythological link which came well before pirates. Why it had to find a loophole before it killed Jacob, is something I don't fully understand (yet). But its journey to find the loophole (which was to appear as John Locke who got Ben to kill Jacob, maybe b/c the monster wasn't allowed to kill?) is precisely what made the Lost series (episodes showing the long drawn out journey used as a means to the ultimate end). The writers of lost know one thing about people - we are suckers for believing that we have an ultimate destiny. But I think they are going to kick everyone in the croch like Jacob did to Ben before Ben stabbed him, when he asked Ben "What about you?". So see, every character is a pawn used by these two, nonameguy (a.k.a. the mythological monster who probably can't kill b/c according to it's mythological beliefs it will suffer in the after life) and Jacob (a.k.a. 17th century pirate). Season 6 will be about how the oceanic characters were used as pawns.Do you find this valuable? |
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Hope7777 |
7. RE: The "Incident" Theory.. Egyptology, Religion, Science
Jun 4 2009, 12:45 AM EDT
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the monster can appear as anything. it's been all the ghosts we've seen. right now it's john locke, who is clearly dead in his coffin. perhaps you are right and jacob was originally a pharoah but if that's the case than its the spirit of the pharaoh dwelling in a pirate that discovered the island b/c there is nothing egyptian about either of these men. there are only so many mythologicial and/or religious, and philosophical concepts that exist. my mythology professor told us that after his class, we'd be able to predict the outcomes of most movies and he was right. the biggest are good vs. bad. death vs. life. the ultimate sacrifice is the Christ theory - innocent life sacrificed on behalf of another whether deserved or not. What I find interesting is the name Jacob, b/c it's one of the most important in the Bible. Jacob was renamed Israel, by God. Abraham (Hebrew) had two sons, Isaac (Hebrew mother Sarah) and Ishmael (Arab mother Hagar) and the promised land was to go to Isaac and his anscestors (Jacob was Isaac's son). Although I & I could get along in order to live together, Ishmael resented Isaac as did his ancestors that followed and to this day, this siblling rivalry still existsto some degree (i.e. Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Arabs). I have no idea if this means anything, just thought I'd share.
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